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Today, Gafcon is leading the Global Anglican Communion. As has been the case from the very beginning, we have not left the Anglican Communion; we are the Anglican Communion. At our upcoming G26 Bishops Conference in Abuja, Nigeria from 3 to 6 March 2026, we will confer and celebrate the Global Anglican Communion.
We resolved to reorder the Anglican Communion as follows:
1. We declare that the Anglican Communion will be reordered, with only one foundation of communion, namely the Holy Bible, “translated, read, preached, taught and obeyed in its plain and canonical sense, respectful of the church’s historic and consensual reading” (Jerusalem Declaration, Article II), which reflects Article VI of the 39 Articles of Religion.
2. We reject the so-called Instruments of Communion, namely the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Lambeth Conference, the Anglican Consultative Council (ACC), and the Primates Meeting, which have failed to uphold the doctrine and discipline of the Anglican Communion.
3. We cannot continue to have communion with those who advocate the revisionist agenda, which has abandoned the inerrant word of God as the final authority and overturned Resolution I.10, of the 1998 Lambeth Conference.
4. Therefore, Gafcon has re-ordered the Anglican Communion by restoring its original structure as a fellowship of autonomous provinces bound together by the Formularies of the Reformation, as reflected at the first Lambeth Conference in 1867, and we are now the Global Anglican Communion.
5. Provinces of the Global Anglican Communion shall not participate in meetings called by the Archbishop of Canterbury, including the ACC, and shall not make any monetary contribution to the ACC, nor receive any monetary contribution from the ACC or its networks.
6. Provinces, which have yet to do so, are encouraged to amend their constitution to remove any reference to being in communion with the See of Canterbury and the Church of England.
7. To be a member of the Global Anglican Communion, a province or a diocese must assent to the Jerusalem Declaration of 2008, the contemporary standard for Anglican identity.
8. We shall form a Council of Primates of all member provinces to elect a Chairman, as primus inter pares (‘first amongst equals’), to preside over the Council as it continues “to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 3).

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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote: Thu Oct 16, 2025 11:43 pm So we are back to my original question: what does it mean to be Anglican?
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Did the Church of England get any money from GAFCON churches? That now with this split they will no longer receive?


And if not, will there be any negative impact to the Church of England’s bottom line?
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p.falk wrote: Sun Oct 19, 2025 3:10 pm Did the Church of England get any money from GAFCON churches? That now with this split they will no longer receive?


And if not, will there be any negative impact to the Church of England’s bottom line?
No, each province in the World Anglican Communion is independent, similar to Orthodoxy, but before now, they all recognized Canterbury as "first among equals", although technically neither the Archbishop nor the monarch has ever had any authority outside England, the GAFCON churches recognized the C of E as a "mother church".

As it is, the Church of England is nearly extinct. In 2000, 31% considered themselves members of the Church of England; now it is down to 14%, and of those, 90% or more never attend church. Those beautiful churches Henry VIII stole from the Catholic Church 500 years ago are now empty. I suspect that in the next 10 years, many of them will close their doors permanently. The Church of Scotland and Church of Ireland, C of E surrogates, are even worse off. More than 1/2 of Church of Scotland churches have already closed, and many have been turned into nightclubs, bars, or dance halls.
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Doom wrote: Sun Oct 19, 2025 3:17 pm
p.falk wrote: Sun Oct 19, 2025 3:10 pm Did the Church of England get any money from GAFCON churches? That now with this split they will no longer receive?


And if not, will there be any negative impact to the Church of England’s bottom line?
No, each province in the World Anglican Communion is independent, similar to Orthodoxy, but before now, they all recognized Canterbury as "first among equals", although technically neither the Archbishop nor the monarch has ever had any authority outside England, the GAFCON churches recognized the C of E as a "mother church".

As it is, the Church of England is nearly extinct. In 2000, 31% considered themselves members of the Church of England; now it is down to 14%, and of those, 90% or more never attend church. Those beautiful churches Henry VIII stole from the Catholic Church 500 years ago are now empty. I suspect that in the next 10 years, many of them will close their doors permanently. The Church of Scotland and Church of Ireland, C of E surrogates, are even worse off. More than 1/2 of Church of Scotland churches have already closed, and many have been turned into nightclubs, bars, or dance halls.
The same goes for the Church of Wales (Welsh Anglicans) and the decline there has increased since they appointed women priests then Bishops.
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All the state churches in Europe are in rapid decline, there are many reasons for this but clearly one of them is that being state churches they have never been more than political entities which were created to serve government interests and now that there is no longer any coercion nor even social benefits to membership, there is no longer any reason for anyone to belong to them. The handful of people who were true believers are disgusted by the rapid secularization of the state church and have moved on to one of the free churches (free as in “not under government control”).
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p.falk wrote: Sun Oct 19, 2025 3:10 pm Did the Church of England get any money from GAFCON churches? That now with this split they will no longer receive?
It's the other way around, if anything.
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A thought is that, with all the above going on, some parts and some people in Europe would benefit from Catholic missionaries.
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A former Anglican bishop has urged Church leaders to prepare for a surge of Catholic conversions, as a historic Vatican visit by King Charles III coincided with a deepening division in the worldwide Anglican Communion. Source: UCA News.
“The Church of England has clearly decided to go the way of liberal Protestant denominations, abandoning any claims to be upholding the Catholic apostolic succession,” said Msgr Michael Nazir-Ali, who was one of several Anglican bishops received into the Catholic Church in 2021. “We’re already seeing a significant new wave of conversions, and the Church needs to consider how best to respond,” he said.
The Pakistan-born former bishop was ordained a Catholic priest for the Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham, a diocese with Anglican traditions established under Pope Benedict XVI to help bring Anglicans in the United Kingdom into full communion with the Catholic Church.
He spoke as a Global Anglican Future Conference, or GAFCON, claiming to represent at least half the world’s 85 million Anglicans, severed links with the Church of England over the appointment of the first female Archbishop of Canterbury, accusing her of promoting “unbiblical and revisionist teachings”. Msgr Nazir-Ali said he respected Anglicans who sought to uphold orthodox Christian teachings while remaining in their native church.
However, he added that GAFCON’s insistence on the autonomy of Anglican provinces in deciding their own doctrine, and on Scripture as the “sole foundation of communion,” would create further problems – leaving admission to the Catholic Church as the only option for many. “The Catholic Church agrees Scripture is the highest authority in matters of faith — but relying on Scripture alone is dangerous,” Msgr Nazir-Ali said. “Meanwhile, if each province is free to do what it likes, this is a recipe for chaos in today’s fast-changing world.”
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I think he's optimistic. Most of the Catholic-leaning Anglicans have either jumped ship already or joined one or another of the lesser offshoots. GAFCON itself is highly Evangelical.
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote: Sun Oct 26, 2025 7:59 pm I think he's optimistic. Most of the Catholic-leaning Anglicans have either jumped ship already or joined one or another of the lesser offshoots. GAFCON itself is highly Evangelical.
For many, Anglicanism, as well as Lutheranism, is a kind of halfway house from evangelicalism to Rome. People who grew up in a low church evangelical church will start attending Anglican or Lutheran services as a way to get used to the idea of high church, liturgical worship, as a kind of compromise to avoid becoming Catholic. These people will make their way eventually.

But those who were born and raised in the Anglican church, if they leave, they leave for atheism or unbelief, not for Rome.


About 20 years ago, there was a hilarious article in the New Oxford Review about how much Anglicans are willing to tolerate. I don't remember exactly what they said, but it was something like "Church of England starts worshipping Zeus" and the Anglo-Catholics say "One more thing and I'm leaving, or maybe the next thing after that."

There is an arbitrariness to it all. The "Continuing Anglicans" began in 1979 in protest against the Episcopal Church's decision to ordain women, and another big exit in 1992 after COE decided to ordain women. GAFCON was founded in protest of the decision in 2009 to ordain practicing homosexuals. There was another big exit in 2014 after the C of E decided to ordain female bishops. Why is every previous decision okay, but not the next one? There doesn't seem to be any general principle involved; it seems the line is being drawn completely at random.
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Highlander wrote: Wed Oct 22, 2025 12:14 am A thought is that, with all the above going on, some parts and some people in Europe would benefit from Catholic missionaries.
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Doom wrote: Sun Oct 26, 2025 8:40 pm But those who were born and raised in the Anglican church, if they leave, they leave for atheism or unbelief, not for Rome.
Present company excepted, of course.
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2025 12:24 pm
Doom wrote: Sun Oct 26, 2025 8:40 pm But those who were born and raised in the Anglican church, if they leave, they leave for atheism or unbelief, not for Rome.
Present company excepted, of course.
Nearly everyone inclined to leave already has.
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Ah, you were speaking of the present state of things. Sorry, I misunderstood.
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Doom wrote: Sun Oct 26, 2025 8:40 pm There is an arbitrariness to it all. The "Continuing Anglicans" began in 1979 in protest against the Episcopal Church's decision to ordain women, and another big exit in 1992 after COE decided to ordain women. GAFCON was founded in protest of the decision in 2009 to ordain practicing homosexuals. There was another big exit in 2014 after the C of E decided to ordain female bishops. Why is every previous decision okay, but not the next one? There doesn't seem to be any general principle involved; it seems the line is being drawn completely at random.
This is one of the things--probably the biggest thing--that has stopped the breakaway movements from coalescing into anything like a coherent whole. This was pointed out to me by my last Episcopal pastor in the late 90s. I think he's now officially part of one of the breakaways.
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Having had a bit of insight into the Anglican splintering, I deduce that each of the splinters holds the true faith and all of the others are some version of heathen. Which is the story of schism.

I still feel for the faithful Anglicans/Episcopalians who sat in the pews while their betters played endless modernist cultural games ... virtue signaling at the expense of Christianity.
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Such as my parents.

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Bishop Cherry Vann enthroned as Anglican archbishop of Wales, becomes the first lesbian to serve as archbishop globally. Vann has been in a relationship with a female partner for 30 years. "For years, we kept our relationship secret because I worried about waking up and finding myself outed on the front page of a newspaper," Vann said. "Now, Wendy joins me everywhere, and when I take services, it’s just normal."
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Sigh. 😔 The LGBQ+ antichrist is steady gathering more and more in it’s flock. So many are being brainwashed and bowing down to that god. 😔🙏🏼
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