The Little Number of Those Who Are Saved - St. Leonard of Port Lucie sermon

[BobCatholic]

Of course you're not entitled. But at the Last Supper, Jesus gave His disciples a farewell gift of peace, as we recall at every Mass.

What, exactly, is it going to cost you to try things my way?

If I'm wrong, my soul.
If I'm right, nothing.

It all depends on how badly I'm fooling myself.

[BobCatholic]

As a result I'm blindly stumbling around the dark wondering where is my room in the afterlife.

Well then stop it.

I can't. I'm still in the dark.

I think you need to look into who Fr. G-L was. He was one of the most profound critics of modernism and the new theology of the 20th century.

I'm sure he was.

So far nobody's refuted the sermon, which scares me more than the sermon itself.

[BobCatholic]

Canonizations require the visible presence of sanctity and heroic virtue. A known ... I guess I have to say "flaw" of the canonization process is that it's not good at recognizing quiet heroic virtue. The process requires that the person be well-known for sanctity, and it just doesn't happen for most lay people who don't die young or in interesting ways.

Another flaw is that there are zero canonizations of someone who fulfilled the responsibilities of their state in life while dying in a state of grace.

[BobCatholic]

I realize that you may question the first point, but it is true unless one of the following is true:

1) gherkin and I and others are deliberately lying to you; or
2) we are dupes of Modernism; or
3) you have a unique insight into the situation.

I submit that none of these is likely to be true.

I reject all of those and go with 4) I can fool myself and have no idea if I'm doing so.

That's why I'm looking more for a refutation of that sermon. There has to be lies in there somewhere.

[BobCatholic]

If you're constantly and incessantly proclaiming to God about how you're such a crappy son, how do you expect to hear Him when He tries to give you encouragement?

I'm "constantly" doing that because God has NOT tried to give me any encouragement. Zero talking to me form His end.

I don't know if I'm in a Dark night of the senses or rejected.

Is it really that God is not interested in talking to you?

I think this is the case.

He WANTS to encourage you now. You just have to let Him love you instead of building this giant wall around your heart with the excuse of you believing that you're not worthy of anything He wants to give you.

OK. So how do I convince Him to talk to me?

[gherkin]

I'm sure he was.

You blew him off implying he was a universalist. And I first mentioned him to point out that St. Leonard is holding forth a minority opinion. Which doesn't refute the sermon, but which puts it into context. Catholics are allowed to believe that most people are going to hell, but that's not necessarily the most common or the most correct opinion. Theologians generally believe that at least the significant majority of Catholics will be saved.

I'm not going to "refute" the sermon any more than that, and it's not because it can't be done, it's because I already did refute it in the relevant sense where I showed it was a minority opinion, and because I have very limited time and patience for this. You've gotten your answers, you just don't like them. Simple answer is stop thinking about yourself so much and do stuff for other people. Your navel gazing is your problem, so stop doing it.

[Doom]

So far nobody's refuted the sermon, which scares me more than the sermon itself.

Dude, it is time for you to accept that you can't "refute" everything you don't like, not everything is a function of discursive rationality. It is one opinion of many which are tolerated within the Church. You are an adult, and it is time to act like one. Spending all your time reading things that you know will disturb you and then demanding everyone else cater to your need to 'refute" is not something adults do, it is something adolescents do. It's time for you to cease being a spiritual adolescent.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

You're just going to keep drilling the same dry hole, aren't you? You can take my advice and the advice of others here, in which case you might begin to find peace and grow in holiness. Or you can keep insisting that you're right, in spite of your experience, and make little to no progress. Your call.