Facediapers

[Tired]

Late to the party but numerous studies (including way before Covid) demonstrate that public masking makes no difference to the spread of viruses like Covid.

[Tired]

Perhaps there's a placebo affect or wearing one might give someone some confidence in dealing with the disease, but it makes no difference with the actual virus.

[ProZak]

Late to the party...

Still plenty of facediapers left!

[Kage_ar]

Late to the party but numerous studies (including way before Covid) demonstrate that public masking makes no difference to the spread of viruses like Covid.

I have a gut feeling that no scientific studies will convince... All of these are from 2022 or later and I tried to grab a wide range of sources:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20092668/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/7 ... f-covid-19

https://www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viruses ... masks.html

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ ... ed-to-know

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20485449

[ProZak]

"Scientific Studies"...

https://youtube.com/shorts/dgvAzyyti2A? ... uipjpGY9I5

[Stella]

Perhaps there's a placebo affect or wearing one might give someone some confidence in dealing with the disease, but it makes no difference with the actual virus.

That assertion requires us to accept that all the worlds official health authorities responsible for management of viruses/disease, are in a global collusion to spread 'a great lie' about the use of masks and that anonymous rando's on the internet have the truth. Is that right?

[Riverboat]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/7 ... f-covid-19

I'd steer clear of using AlJazeera as a news source. It's like using the Flat Earth Society for astronomy.

That assertion requires us to accept that all the worlds official health authorities responsible for management of viruses/disease, are in a global collusion to spread 'a great lie' about the use of masks and that anonymous rando's on the internet have the truth.

I'd put quotation marks around responsible. Besides, plenty of other sources, as ProZak has tirelessly pointed out, were not in agreement. And those "responsible" sources you like to tout were inconsistent.

And yes, I believe there was a great deal of collusion to silence people.

[Stella]

I'd put quotation marks around responsible. Besides, plenty of other sources, as ProZak has tirelessly pointed out, were not in agreement. And those "responsible" sources you like to tout were inconsistent.

And yes, I believe there was a great deal of collusion to silence people.

My issue with most conspiracy theorists is how inconsistent the stance seems to be. If there is global government collusion regarding the efficacy of masks, (I still don't get what it would achieve?)... why is there no organisation against that 'very frightening if true', type of 'tyranny'? During Covid there was a couple of street marches but they achieved nothing and just depended on random people participating. There seems to be no initiative to build an effective defense against this global cabal.

The January 6th insurrection is another example of the general stupidity of conspiracy theorists. Trump of course was number one mouth piece and instigator, but as soon as the chaos began he's back peddled to keep his hands clean. He isn't committed to that cause or any cause other than his own wealth and power.

How do you sleep believing in the tyranny you believe in? How do you trust anything that science and medical expertise tells you? It makes me wonder if like Trump, these conspiracy theorists don't really believe in the 'cause'.

[ProZak]

Here's what I believe to be a rational discussion on the subject, though at the end of the day, folks are going to believe what they want to...

https://youtu.be/3I7HFriEVxQ?si=KxFdiP8l5WdbQBuS

[ProZak]

How many folks looked to Fauci during the Plandemic...

https://youtu.be/Vqc8b9nKgoo?si=KnL_mwX7EVzH9gr2

[Riverboat]

My issue with most conspiracy theorists is how inconsistent the stance seems to be. . . How do you sleep believing in the tyranny you believe in? How do you trust anything that science and medical expertise tells you? It makes me wonder if like Trump, these conspiracy theorists don't really believe in the 'cause'.

For more on the inconsistency, refer to the previous comments regarding Fauci and the cabal. As for sleeping, I manage as best I can at my age.

I don't put my trust in much. So much has been tainted I am loathe to take anybody's word, outside of my own family and certain individuals. Science and medical expertise? Please. When that community can't even get basic knowledge correct, why should I trust them? Men can menstruate? Some women have penises? It's as if the "experts" are taking bets on what outrageous claim someone will swallow.

I have a morbid fascination with how far the idiocy will go. We can't vote ourselves out of this morass. So, Trump or Biden notwithstanding, ultimately, without a nationwide change of heart to accept natural and divine law, things will not turn out well. In the end, it's all in God's hands.

[Kage_ar]

I don't put my trust in much. So much has been tainted I am loathe to take anybody's word, outside of my own family and certain individuals. Science and medical expertise? Please. When that community can't even get basic knowledge correct, why should I trust them? Men can menstruate? Some women have penises? It's as if the "experts" are taking bets on what outrageous claim someone will swallow.

What is the obsession with transgender folks by the "MAGA Wing" people? According to the most recent PEW statistics that I can find (June 2022) 1.6% of the US population identify as trans or non-binary.

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-tren ... -s-adults/

When the numbers are that low, it is likely most people who identify with the "Trump MAGA" way of thinking are likely to never encounter a transsexual person - because people tend to socialize with others who share their outlook or political bias.

A High School Basketball player has double the chance of becoming an NCAA College Basketball player as someone does of being trans/non-binary.

https://work.chron.com/likelihood-someo ... 26110.html

Spend 10 minutes watching OAN and you'd think every third human you meet is a 14 year old post-surgical transsexual.

Because a very few people identify as transgender, and because there are a small number of medical professionals who treat them, one cannot trust medicine or science?

The "whataboutism" throwing transsexual/non-binary up in every discussion gets really old really fast.

[ProZak]

One of my very good friend's grandson is "trans." More and more are coming out as this due to the social contagion, Dylan Mulvaney certainly has made it in vogue! We just had "Trans Day of Visibility" overshadowing Easter by the president, we have doctors who are drugging and mutilating children under the guise of "Gender Affirming Care", we have legislation in effect keeps parents in the dark and arrestes those who "misgender" their own children! This has nothing to do with MAGA, have you been living under a rock?!

[Kage_ar]

One of my very good friend's grandson is "trans." More and more are coming out as this due to the social contagion, Dylan Mulvaney certainly has made it in vogue! We just had "Trans Day of Visibility" overshadowing Easter by the president, we have doctors who are drugging and mutilating children under the guise of "Gender Affirming Care", we have legislation in effect keeps parents in the dark and arrestes those who "misgender" their own children! This has nothing to do with MAGA, have you been living under a rock?!

Not living under a rock, I am simply selective about what feeds my head.

Never heard of "Dylan Mulvaney", but, I don't consume commercially based news/ertainment, I don't have tick tock, I stopped twitter when it was bought out by Elon Musk.

None of the things you speak of change the numbers. I do not follow headlines, I research things when I want to know about them.

You might want to know that "Trans Day of Visibility" has been happening every March 31 since 2009 (perhaps you have been living under a rock )

And I googled "Dylan Mulvaney", I fail to understand how a transgender social media personality has anything to do with trusting science.

[ProZak]

Because he has met with the president to discuss such things, he is far more than just a social media influencer! They are all citing studies that back their agenda.

[ProZak]

Here it is...

https://youtu.be/B9258AnO_Bk?si=D8CxL-fnEV_ohnty

[Stella]

Here's what I believe to be a rational discussion on the subject, though at the end of the day, folks are going to believe what they want to...

https://youtu.be/3I7HFriEVxQ?si=KxFdiP8l5WdbQBuS

I'm certainly not going to give credit to anyone who's inspiration about life has been formed in a haze of pot which Rand Paul admits about his early adulthood development. Pot users are legion among conspiracy theorists.

So nope. That isn't and example of rational discussion.

[ProZak]

So Rand Paul is still a stoner getting baked on a regular basis???

[Stella]

It sure sounds like it. He's always talking about legalising it.

[ProZak]

This is happening all over western civilization, and yes it does involve science, when you have medical doctors preforming these abominable surgeries and professionals asking parents if the would rather have a living daughter or a dead son!

https://youtu.be/kgB83TTGLpQ?si=GIV_8T8K5RQy2ykL