Mary the Mediatrix at the Pentecost

[Riverboat]

Where Mary was, the Apostles were. The third mystery of the Glorious Mysteries invites us to ponder that the Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles in the upper room. We know that Mary was often with them, but on this occasion Scripture is silent.

Lately, I've been thinking that the Holy Spirit descended through Our Lady who is, after all, the one who gave us her Son.

Am I okay with this?

[anawim]

In the previous chapter it says that when they gathered to pray, that Mary was with them. So why wouldn't she have been there on that day:

All these devoted themselves with one accord to prayer, together with some women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.

I guess "silent" is relative.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

What do you mean by "through"?

[Riverboat]

What do you mean by "through"?

As in the way Our Lord came to us.

[peregrinator]

What do you mean by "through"?

As in the way Our Lord came to us.

What do you mean by "the way Our Lord came to us"?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I'm not being difficult, and I don't think peregrinator is either. The problem is that there are a lot of things you could mean; some might be unobjectionable and some might be problematic.

[Riverboat]

I'm not accusing either one of you of being difficult. You asked a question for clarification, and I thought I answered it. Our Lord came into the world through Our Lady with her virginity intact. It is no stretch, to my way of thinking, that the Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles through her, as a light passes through a window, the window, of course, being Our Lady.

If I can't make myself any clearer, then I'm obviously not cut out to be theologian.

[Stella]

Where Mary was, the Apostles were. The third mystery of the Glorious Mysteries invites us to ponder that the Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles in the upper room. We know that Mary was often with them, but on this occasion Scripture is silent.

Lately, I've been thinking that the Holy Spirit descended through Our Lady who is, after all, the one who gave us her Son.

Am I okay with this?

Just offering my own opinion here and happy to be corrected but it doesn't seem to be out of the question. Mary became their mother and their Queen after the Ascension and was eventually crowned Queen of Heaven. She is so significant. Contemplating on Pentecost with their mother and Queen present it seems possible that she may have at least facilitated the Apostles ordination in some capacity.

[aussie_aussie_oi_oi]

I'm not accusing either one of you of being difficult. You asked a question for clarification, and I thought I answered it. Our Lord came into the world through Our Lady with her virginity intact. It is no stretch, to my way of thinking, that the Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles through her, as a light passes through a window, the window, of course, being Our Lady.

If I can't make myself any clearer, then I'm obviously not cut out to be theologian.

I am happy to be corrected or educated but I see nothing revealed+ in any of the deposit of faith that suggests the Holy Spirit came through Mary in the way I think you are suggesting.

The Second Vatican Council (Lumen gentium ## 61-62), said:

... in suffering with Him as He died on the cross, she cooperated in the work of the Savior, in an altogether singular way, by obedience, faith, hope, and burning love, to restore supernatural life to souls. As a result she is our Mother in the order of grace.
This motherhood of Mary in the economy of grace lasts without interruption, from the consent which she gave in faith at the annunciation, and which she unhesitatingly bore with under the cross, even to the perpetual consummation of all the elect. For after being assumed into heaven, she has not put aside this saving function, but by her manifold intercession, she continues to win the gifts of eternal salvation for us. By her motherly love, she takes care of the brothers of her Son who are still in pilgrimage and in dangers and difficulties, until they be led through to the happy fatherland. For this reason, the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adiutrix, and Mediatrix. This however it to be so understood that it takes nothing away, or adds nothing to the dignity and efficacy of Christ the one Mediator. For no creature can ever be put on the same level with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer...."

[peregrinator]

All of our graces go through Our Lady but the Holy Ghost isn't mere grace, He's a Person.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

The Son received His human nature through Mary; since the Spirit does not have a human nature, any analogy to the Incarnation is rough at best.

[Stella]

Another thing to contemplate here is Pope St Paul VI's 1974 exhortation on Mary. MARIALIS CULTUS FOR THE RIGHT ORDERING AND DEVELOPMENT
OF DEVOTION TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY

Considering, finally, the presence of the Mother of Jesus in the Upper Room, where the Spirit came down upon the infant Church (cf Acts 1:12-14; 2:1-4), they enriched with new developments the ancient theme of Mary and the Church.(83) Above all they had recourse to the Virgin's intercession in order to obtain from the Spirit the capacity for engendering Christ in their own soul, as is attested to by Saint Ildephonsus in a prayer of supplication, amazing in its doctrine and prayerful power: "I beg you, holy Virgin, that I may have Jesus from the Holy Spirit, by whom you brought Jesus forth. May my soul receive Jesus through the Holy Spirit by whom your flesh conceived Jesus.... May I love Jesus in the Holy Spirit in whom you adore Jesus as Lord and gaze upon Him as your Son."(84)

Riverboat, in recognising Mary significant presence at Pentecost in that way, you could dovetail your intuition to that of the Church.

https://www.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/ ... ultus.html