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Kage_ar wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:38 pm

ProZak wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:16 pm One of my very good friend's grandson is "trans." More and more are coming out as this due to the social contagion, Dylan Mulvaney certainly has made it in vogue! We just had "Trans Day of Visibility" overshadowing Easter by the president, we have doctors who are drugging and mutilating children under the guise of "Gender Affirming Care", we have legislation in effect keeps parents in the dark and arrestes those who "misgender" their own children! This has nothing to do with MAGA, have you been living under a rock?!

You might want to know that "Trans Day of Visibility" has been happening every March 31 since 2009 (perhaps you have been living under a rock )

Has an official declaration from the White House happened every year since 2009, or did they wait for it to fall on Easter Sunday? How convenient!

https://youtu.be/NYdH0nuQ-to?si=zJRt4ZXyHZrWrrR0

Kage_ar wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:55 pmWhat is the obsession with transgender folks by the "MAGA Wing" people? . . . When the numbers are that low, it is likely most people who identify with the "Trump MAGA" way of thinking are likely to never encounter a transsexual person - because people tend to socialize with others who share their outlook or political bias. . . . Because a very few people identify as transgender, and because there are a small number of medical professionals who treat them, one cannot trust medicine or science?

No need to impugn my character and insinuate I'm with Trump.

I don't look for the transexuals, but we can't seem to avoid them. On Easter Sunday, we had our faces rubbed in some made-up thing about Tran-Visibility Day.

The mistrust of medicine and science goes deeper than what you suggest, but the tranny thing is a pretty handy indicator of how low standards have gone. "Gender reassignment" surgery is mutilation, pure and simple. The American Pediatric Association and the American Medical Association, to name two, are on board with this. Of course, they're also in favor of abortion, which is murder by mutilation. I've stopped looking up to them years ago.

Stella wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:56 pm

Tired wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:09 pm Perhaps there's a placebo affect or wearing one might give someone some confidence in dealing with the disease, but it makes no difference with the actual virus.

That assertion requires us to accept that all the worlds official health authorities responsible for management of viruses/disease, are in a global collusion to spread 'a great lie' about the use of masks and that anonymous rando's on the internet have the truth. Is that right?

What a ridiculous response. Data should always underlie arguments like this. Not emotions or musings of people, not matter how much you want to believe them. Focus on data.

A thought experiment for you...

The greatest mental illness of our time - 'transgenderism' - asks of you (by certain people) to believe men are actually women and women are actually men even though you can see with you own eyes and experience with you own intellect that is not the case anymore than someone showing you a picture of a duck and telling you it is actually the planet Saturn. I assume from your recent responses you'll agree that the duck is actually Saturn as long as enough people tell you it is actually Saturn even though you know from experience3 and the use of your mind that it is in fact, a duck.

You could spend some hours researching ducks, looking at pictures of ducks, studying what people have said about ducks for centuries, etc., to understand from evidence and data what a duck is. So why would you agree that it is Saturn?

Tired wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:34 pm

Stella wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:56 pm

Tired wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:09 pm Perhaps there's a placebo affect or wearing one might give someone some confidence in dealing with the disease, but it makes no difference with the actual virus.

That assertion requires us to accept that all the worlds official health authorities responsible for management of viruses/disease, are in a global collusion to spread 'a great lie' about the use of masks and that anonymous rando's on the internet have the truth. Is that right?

What a ridiculous response. Data should always underlie arguments like this. Not emotions or musings of people, not matter how much you want to believe them. Focus on data.

You'd think the data would be bottom line wouldn't you but just look at this thread. Kage_ar posted several sources of data including ncbi, cdc, hopkins, Mayo, all recommending masks.

viewtopic.php?p=5588#p5588

Prozac posted one source, Cochrane library, which turned out to conclude the outcome was inconclusive but the author of the article claims that as 'data' showing masks are ineffective.

viewtopic.php?p=5313#p5313

If the data is the focus, this thread points wholly to masks being medically responsible.

Saturn the car or the planet?

Prozac???

ProZak wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:20 pm Because he has met with the president to discuss such things, he is far more than just a social media influencer! They are all citing studies that back their agenda.

Innumerable people have met with our current POTUS as well as with the 45 predecessors about all sorts of things! Heck, I've met with a US President or two in the day.

Are you saying that meeting with a POTUS is somehow making someone important and endorsed? President Coolidge met with eugenicists! President Trump met with brutal atheistic dictators and was proud of his Playboy cover and friendship with the publisher! Presidents have met with slavers, with mafia bosses, with child abusers.

I'm playing your game and need to stop.

Asking again, do you deny science? Do you deny gravity? The rotation of the earth? Do you eat up a big batch of raw chicken? Do you let your child play in the litter box? Do you take your kid to the doctor when they are sick? What about when they break a leg? Ruptured appendix? How can you use a computer if you do not believe in the science that brought us tech - or is it little elves inside? How do you decide what science to believe and what to deny?

I said earlier that I take reasonable precautions, wearing a facediaper all day is not one of them. It's not just meeting with the president, but the laws that are being enacted that you glossed over. Of course none of this is science, it's religious dogma...

https://www.youtube.com/live/kstAOytcjT ... vI2UUC52rU

ProZak wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:51 am I said earlier that I take reasonable precautions, wearing a facediaper all day is not one of them. It's not just meeting with the president, but the laws that are being enacted that you glossed over. Of course none of this is science, it's religious dogma...

https://www.youtube.com/live/kstAOytcjT ... vI2UUC52rU

Can you provide the House or Senate legislation that you are talking about? I'd be happy to read the documents and further the discussion. Watching a 45 minute video from CRISIS is opinion without the actual legislative information.

This online source provides info on both:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse