A possible contradiction - goodness of creation

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A possible contradiction - goodness of creation

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Premise: Evil is a privation of good.
Premise: Any reduction in good, is evil.
Premise: God created all things good.
Premise: Humans are created in the Image and Likeness of God. That is good.
Premise: Human beings cannot get into heaven in their current state. They need a Savior, who is Christ.
Premise: Nothing impure can get into heaven.

Argument: People are created good, but are not good enough for heaven.
Argument: There is a privation there, that is evil
Conclusion: That means that people are really evil, and not good.

But this is contradicting the premises. God created people good and endowed us with His dignity.
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The supernatural destiny of human beings is not part of human nature. It's a gratuitous gift. If we grant the premise (which I think is correct) that the soul is naturally immortal, still God did not have to admit the deceased to Heaven. He could have granted them a simple earthly paradise, or something like the Limbo of the Fathers.

Secondly, although humans are created good, we also all inherit Original Sin, so we are not able to enter Heaven.
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Also, "good" does not mean "morally good" , when God says that creation is "good" he doesn't mean creation is moral.
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 3:02 pm The supernatural destiny of human beings is not part of human nature. It's a gratuitous gift. If we grant the premise (which I think is correct) that the soul is naturally immortal, still God did not have to admit the deceased to Heaven. He could have granted them a simple earthly paradise, or something like the Limbo of the Fathers.
So because of the privation of good, this means the human nature is evil.
Secondly, although humans are created good, we also all inherit Original Sin, so we are not able to enter Heaven.
So we are created good, but thanks to Original Sin, we become evil, because of that privation of good.
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Doom wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 3:07 pm Also, "good" does not mean "morally good" , when God says that creation is "good" he doesn't mean creation is moral.
So something can be "good" but morally evil? I don't understand that.
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BobCatholic wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 10:50 pm
Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 3:02 pm The supernatural destiny of human beings is not part of human nature. It's a gratuitous gift. If we grant the premise (which I think is correct) that the soul is naturally immortal, still God did not have to admit the deceased to Heaven. He could have granted them a simple earthly paradise, or something like the Limbo of the Fathers.
So because of the privation of good, this means the human nature is evil.
No. It's the privation of a due good that makes something evil. The Beatific Vision is not a due good for any created thing.

It might be cool to have wings like a bird, but that's not a good due to human nature and so it is not evil that I lack them.
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Re: A possible contradiction - goodness of creation

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BobCatholic wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 10:51 pm
Doom wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 3:07 pm Also, "good" does not mean "morally good" , when God says that creation is "good" he doesn't mean creation is moral.
So something can be "good" but morally evil? I don't understand that.

Whatever the opposite of the logical fallacy of "equivocation" might be you are committing the opposite fallacy.
If you ever feel like Captain Picard yelling about how many lights there are, it is probably time to leave the thread.
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