Was he talking about women's ordination?

[Doom]

In the homily at Mass today we were told "The Church still doesn't acknowledge the value of women, there are still many things they are not allowed to do"

What do you think? Was this a subtle call for women's ordination? That was the first thing I thought of.

Some will probably say that, given the occasionally crazy stuff I am hearing, I should find a new parish. No. I have been attending this parish since 2009; I am aware of its flaws, for one, it looks like a high school gymnasium, but this is the 6th priest in the last 15 years, and I'm not going to budge. In a couple of years, he will probably be transferred, and there will be a new priest.

[anawim]

People who say that have no clue what women are really like. We've always been in charge. Anyone who thinks that you can argue with a woman will find out that we're always going to be right....even if we're wrong...we're still going to be right. Don't get in our way, Jack

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

How the heck did he get there from these readings?

[Doom]

How the heck did he get there from these readings?

I know, I had the sense that, unlike most weeks, the homily was largely ad-libbed.

It's a little difficult to explain. "Whoever is not against us is for us.", he makes the point, which I think is valid, that Catholic doctrine says that all truth and all goodness come from God, so in non-Catholic Christian churches, any truth or goodness they possess comes from God, and we need to recognize that, you can't just say "they are Protestants they are bad everything they believe and do is wrong". He then expanded that to non-Christian religions, anything good or true in them is from God, it is God leaving little breadcrumbs of the gospel wherever he could. He then did what Pope Francis in the infamous clip did not and clarified that he is not saying they are completely true, that we believe that we have a fullness of truth that they do not as we affirm in the Nicene Creed, which we will recite right after the homily, but there is any truth in any non-Christian religion, it comes from God. Any time anyone does something good or kind, that goodness comes from God.

We need to recognize that God can act outside the Church, we are bound to the Church and the sacraments but God is not.

So far, so good. I think all that is okay and more or less in line with Church tradition and Vatican II.

Then he started discussing various disenfranchised or oppressed groups such as immigrants, and finally the comment about women in the Church.

Kind of a weird chain of reasoning I know.

[BobCatholic]

In the homily at Mass today we were told "The Church still doesn't acknowledge the value of women, there are still many things they are not allowed to do"

Yeah, the Church really doesn't acknowledge the value of women, with Mary being the Queen of heaven, having 7 WOMEN Doctors of the Church, and Mulieribis Dignitatis and all that.

Did my sarcasm melt the meter yet?

Fr. Ripperger would say "Women, play the long game. Be holier than the men around you, then when you get into the higher parts of heaven, you can boss them around for all eternity."

[peregrinator]

My hunch is that he was indeed talking about women's ordination considering that Pope Francis just got attacked about it during his visit to Belgium.

[Doom]

He made some vague about how "If you are following the synod", which synod is this exactly?

I don't think it is an exaggeration, but it is merely logical that women's ordination leads to gay marriage. Think about it: if the Church is the bride of Christ and Christ is the bridegroom, and the priest stands in persona Christi, and the priest is a woman, then a woman can be both the bride and the groom, gay marriage.

There indeed are some Protestant sects, like the Salvation Army, which has had women ministers for over a century and yet remains opposed to gay marriage and remains doctrinally conservative. But those groups do not have the same theology of the minister standing in persona Christi, so it is largely irrelevant to them in a way that it isn't for us.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

The synod on synodality.

[Doom]

I thought was already over, like over a year ago.

[aussie_aussie_oi_oi]

I thought was already over, like over a year ago.

Keep up: This Synod is intended as a Synodal Process. The aim of this synodal process is not to provide a temporary or one-time experience of synodality, but rather to provide an opportunity for the entire People of God to discern together how to move forward on the path towards being a more synodal Church in the long-term.
A basic question prompts and guides us: How does this journeying together allow the Church to proclaim the Gospel in accordance with the mission entrusted to Her; and what steps does the Spirit invite us to take in order to grow as a synodal Church?
https://www.synod.va/en/the-synod-on-sy ... about.html

[Doom]

In other words, a total word salad that says as long as Francis is Pope, we have to put up with this idiotic nonsense, but as soon as we have a Pope with better judgment who puts an end to it.

It's all a shell game "Oh this is the People of God discerning" No it isn't, the agenda for the synod is imposed by the Pope, who presents a program that he demands the bishops accept without question, no "discussion or discernment" is required, just obedience, vote the way the Pope tells you to.

Yes, I am fully aware that this is far from the first time that has happened, there have been synods and even ecumenical councils that have been conducted like that, where the bishops are given completed documents and told not to debate it or amend it but to just vote yes. That was essentially Lateran IV under Pope Julius II.

I am not claiming that this autocratic approach to the synod is anything new, we have had autocratic Popes before. What is new is a Pope claiming that he wants free and open discussion when he wants nothing of the sort, all the talk of "collegiality" is frankly a shell game, he does not want the bishops to participate in a process, he wants them to say "Yes, Holy Father" and do what they are told.

[anawim]

I thought was already over, like over a year ago.

In 2022, the Pope broke it up into 2 sessions. Part 1 was last year, and part 2 is this year.

[peregrinator]

One could be forgiven, who believed the Pope drew out the process because it became clear that the Synod wouldn't reach the conclusions he wanted it to reach in the initial session.

[Doom]

One could be forgiven, who believed the Pope drew out the process because it became clear that the Synod wouldn't reach the conclusions he wanted it to reach in the initial session.

It’s funny isn’t it? When most of the bishops at least on the western world were progressive, collegiality was fine. But after 35 years of John Paul II and Benedict XVI, the bishops are much more conservative, collegiality is out the window and it’s “do what you are told”, why it is almost as if the preferred method depends entirely on whatever it takes to get what you want.